tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post1335072041404769264..comments2023-11-05T01:45:58.784-07:00Comments on The Hesperado: Nagging questionsHesperadohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-75299884423067581462010-11-28T11:15:44.474-08:002010-11-28T11:15:44.474-08:00islam exposed,
I just came across this old essay ...islam exposed,<br /><br />I just came across this old essay of mine in my archives where in great detail and length I critiqued one major, in estimation, flaw in Hugh Fitzgerald's analysis:<br /><br />http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2007/03/myopia-at-jihad-watch-about-pc.htmlHesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-63795023943086177582010-11-27T12:30:10.172-08:002010-11-27T12:30:10.172-08:00Nobody,
Actually, from what I understand, the Com...Nobody,<br /><br />Actually, from what I understand, the Communist takeover did not occur right away, and there was a brief window of time in the immediate aftermath of WW2 when enlightened democrats (albeit some of the "socialist") were influential in, if they did not actually govern, Czechoslovakia.<br /><br />A few years ago in JW comments, I literally provoked and prodded a debate on this issue between Hugh Fitzgerald and a very intelligent guy I knew from a philosophy discussion forum who was also a typical Leftist dubious of the anti=Islam movement and who disputed Hugh on the Benes Decree expulsions. This guy usually went by the nickname "Anonymous". One of the arguments of Anonymous was just what you mentioned, but Hugh disputed that and claimed that the Czech architects and supporters of that Decree were enlightened liberal (if perhaps "socialist") democrats. It was only in 1947 when Russia literally invaded and occupied Czechoslovakia (no doubt with the collusion of certain Czech elements), an occupation that lasted approximately 40 years.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-63189347273167307032010-11-26T21:13:22.583-08:002010-11-26T21:13:22.583-08:00^^^ This was after WWII, so @ the time in question...^^^ This was after WWII, so @ the time in question, Czechoslovakia wasn't a progressive democracy, it had been occupied by the Soviets and was a Communist dictatorship. The communists never had any qualms about expelling populations that they didn't like - just look @ the Soviet Union. They'd expel a whole bunch of ethnicities from various places, like Ukraine, Crimea, Russia, et al. So after the war, the Communist regime in Czechoslovakia conveniently expelled the Germans, even though they faced no threat, as East Germany was as much a vassal of the Soviets as was Czechoslovakia itself, and the Communists believed in an <i>Internationale</i> ideology, not a nationalist one.<br /><br />This would be a pitfall of using the Benes decree in public, but other than that, the idea of expelling all Muslims, once society recognized them for what they were and are, is the only logical oneNobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936731686633423188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-17973351619336582142010-11-26T08:41:09.781-08:002010-11-26T08:41:09.781-08:00"As far as I know, from the beginning of Jiha..."As far as I know, from the beginning of Jihadwatch journey Hugh Fitzgerald was the board member of Jihadwatch."<br /><br />Here's the indisputable proof of that. Six years ago, on Nov. 7, 2004, Robert Spencer wrote:<br /><br /><i>I am pleased to announce that Hugh Fitzgerald has accepted a position as Vice President of the Jihad Watch Board of Directors. </i><br /><br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/11/hugh-fitzgerald-on-dhimmitude-at-the-new-york-times.html<br /><br />As for Hugh's relatively tougher stance than Robert, I agree, though Hugh in my estimation didn't go far enough, and as a result tended to keep his analyses in a suspension of incoherence. Example, he liked to cite the mass expulsion of German Czech citizens from Czechoslovakia at the end of WW2 as a model for what we can do about Muslims, but every time he mentioned it, he would couch it in terms of expelling <i>non-</i>citizens, when the whole point of the Czech expulsions was that over a million Czech <i>citizens</i> were expelled from Czechoslovakia (and many of them with roots in Czechoslovakia going back many generations), at a time when Czechoslovakia was a progressive democracy. <br /><br />For this reason and others, I found Hugh to be an acutely <i>asymptotic</i> analyst of the problem of Islam -- by which I mean, he seemed incapable of uttering the words "all Muslims". Sooner or later, the West is going to realize that it cannot manage the problem of Islam without treating Muslims <i>collectively</i> and <i>prejudicially</i> (i.e., treating them as all equally dangerous).<br /><br />So yes, Hugh is closer than Robert; but he's still no cigar.<br /><br />My now retired blog, "Jihad Watch Watch", had a few essays on what I thought were deficiencies in Hugh's analyses. In this link most of them are enumerated:<br /><br />http://jihadswatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/overview-of-my-critiques-of-jihad-watch_17.htmlHesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-2770956929774038802010-11-26T00:10:50.361-08:002010-11-26T00:10:50.361-08:00As far as I know, from the beginning of Jihadwatch...As far as I know, from the beginning of Jihadwatch journey Hugh Fitzgerald was the board member of Jihadwatch. He served as the perfect foil for Robert Spencer over the years to expose Islamic Supremacy. As compared to Robert Spencer who sometimes I feel is a bit soft on muslims, Hugh Fitzgerald had the best solution in mind to the problem of Islam by expelling Muslims en mass from Infidel societies. I think he deserved as much respect as anybody in the anti-Islam movement, and as a longtime contributor to Jihadwatch that respect is due. I think Robert Spencer should put up a link on Jihadwatch homepage highlighting the contributions Hugh has made over the years to the anti-Islam movement and Jihadwatch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com