tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post1790935287951378390..comments2023-11-05T01:45:58.784-07:00Comments on The Hesperado: Imbroglio at Jihad Watch commentsHesperadohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-50916629668024559672015-05-10T14:52:01.727-07:002015-05-10T14:52:01.727-07:00Thanks to Egghead and Nobody for the discussion. ...Thanks to Egghead and Nobody for the discussion. I agree that Schlussel's tone and demeanor is off-putting. The only reason I appreciate her is her willingness to go after sacred cows (and in the Counter-Jihad, certain people become off-limits, like a Brigitte Gabriel). That doesn't mean Schlussel is necessarily correct about any of her allegations. One also senses about Schlussel a bit of the problem of emotional ego issues clouding her judgement such as to interfere with the higher priority of what's good for the Counter-Jihad.<br /><br />As for Brigitte Gabriel calling herself an "Arab" and not "Phoenician"; I rather appreciate that, actually, since I think a lot of Lebanese Christians are irrationally promoting a mythological ethnicity that childishly ignores the highly probable demographic fact of at least a certain degree of Arab/Phoenician interbreeding (mostly through Muslims raping their women + and Christians converting to Islam over the centuries).<br /><br />Meanwhile, it's a breath of fresh air to read Nobody so matter-of-factly pointing out that to critique/condemn/mock Muhammad is, by obvious implication, to critique/condemn/mock all Muslims -- and so this anxious concern on the part of the Counter-Jihad to assure the Mainstream that it (the Counter-Jihad) is not saying anything bad about Muslims is just plain silly. Unfortunately, the Jihad Watch commenting community is dominated by both this concern and by the above-mentioned Sacred Cow tendency.<br />Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-66591534898249345182015-05-08T03:16:30.950-07:002015-05-08T03:16:30.950-07:00So, I went to Schlussel's site and read a few ...So, I went to Schlussel's site and read a few of her political essays. Yes, her tone is still very nasty and off-putting.<br /><br />See here: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/78465/no-tears-from-me-yet-or-probably-ever-for-arab-pizza-shop-owner-torched-in-baltimore/<br /><br />In addition:<br /><br />Schlussel's lens is Judaism: How does everyone and everything in the world affect (the plight and persecution, that's a given, of) Jews?<br /><br />Schlussel's morality appears to be: 'Everyone should argue for, and everything should occur for the benefit of Jews - OR ELSE.'Eggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-44831590962555309152015-05-08T02:28:47.979-07:002015-05-08T02:28:47.979-07:00oops - being moderateoops - being moderateEggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-20524731558697111242015-05-08T02:05:56.492-07:002015-05-08T02:05:56.492-07:00Your point that Gellar works with the Gentile Spen...Your point that Gellar works with the Gentile Spencer is also irrelevant to my point about Gellar. Gentiles may be co-opted by Jews (for any number of good reasons including love, money, or guilt over the Holocaust, etc.) to serve Jewish interests. Regarding love (whether reciprocated or not, whether consummated or not), I remember reading a comment from someone on the New York scene (probably on Schlussel's site) that stated that Gellar and Spencer should be careful about appearances because their lives are so thoroughly intertwined.<br /><br />More to the point, look at who pays Spencer's paycheck. It appears that Spencer has been closely allied with the David Horowitz Freedom Center - which has paid him a significant amount of money for his work.<br /><br />The typical pattern that I am seeing is that Jews will either 1) put Gentiles on the payroll which assures a storyline that avoids looking at any role of Jews in destroying Western Christendom, or 2) attack Gentiles (especially as being anti-Semitic) who are independent of Jewish control or who might get too powerful for Jewish control.Eggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-78976472988528011852015-05-08T01:35:25.860-07:002015-05-08T01:35:25.860-07:00As people are complicated, so are these issues.......As people are complicated, so are these issues....<br /><br />First, it has been literally years since I have read either Schlussel or Gellar (although I looked at Gellar's site once in the past few years - probably via a link from another site). The (past, at least) tone of Schlussel is completely off-putting to me, and I disagreed with some (enough to stop reading, I guess) of her moral judgments about whatever material she featured. When I think about it, I mainly stopped reading Schlussel due to her tone. And yet, I found her information about Gellar to be worth a read when I read it. I filed it away with whatever else I have observed about Gellar. If Schlussel had a more neutral - professional - less angry tone, then I would probably have kept reading her site. I will probably go there again to check it out now that her name has been raised here. :)<br /><br />If I had to compare Schlussel to Gellar based on my past reading (and I am remembering back years here), I would say that Schlussel tries to write like Gellar but Schlussel does not have Gellar's sense of humor.<br /><br />Your point that Schlussel and Gellar hate each other is irrelevant to my point about Gellar. People who compete with each other may hate each other. What is the surprise there?Eggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-32134792011506290302015-05-07T14:13:01.412-07:002015-05-07T14:13:01.412-07:00She is very good at what she does. Very subtle. ...She is very good at what she does. Very subtle. It took me years to see the pattern....Eggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-42171150276470892732015-05-07T14:09:21.771-07:002015-05-07T14:09:21.771-07:00I have seen her do it with me personally, ESW, GoV...I have seen her do it with me personally, ESW, GoV, EDL, and Tommy Robinson.Eggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-54814880473782224572015-05-07T14:06:50.335-07:002015-05-07T14:06:50.335-07:00Gellar'sin role is to maintain FIRM Jewish con...Gellar'sin role is to maintain FIRM Jewish control of the counterjihad and gather intelligence about and foil non-Jewish attempts at counterjihad leadership.Eggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-3044941304814941702015-05-07T07:34:48.898-07:002015-05-07T07:34:48.898-07:00Yes, Schlussel has interesting things to say about...Yes, Schlussel has interesting things to say about Gellar's past. But, being a woman myself, I find most of the women in the counterjihad including Schussel and Gellar (and GoV's Dymphna in various angry responses to hapless commenters, in addition to me, I might add) to be too 'sharp' or 'nasty' in tone.<br /><br />Luckily, ESW and Bridget (Act for America) and Wafa Sultan and Hirsi Ali seem to have a moderate tone to their communications.<br /><br />Gellar gets lots of death threats, so she is probably trying to mitigate the amount of those....<br /><br />It is my impression that she is 'protected' and 'allowed' to perform a function that suits the 'powers that be.' To wit, with her level of notoriety and visibility, she has been an easy target for many years for any Muslim serious about killing her....<br />Eggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-42735967676740037862015-05-07T05:49:10.244-07:002015-05-07T05:49:10.244-07:00She above referring to Gellar, not SchlusselShe above referring to Gellar, not SchlusselNobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936731686633423188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-43156615864241127572015-05-07T03:20:04.354-07:002015-05-07T03:20:04.354-07:00Hesp
You're still there? I left it years ag...Hesp<br /><br /><br />You're still there? I left it years ago, after Debbie pointed out that both Gellar & Robert are ambulance chasing frauds. In her interview w/ Alysyn Camerota, she took pains to claim that she was NOT calling Muslims savages - this after an attempt has been made on her conference, and after ISIS has said that she's on their hit-list.<br /><br />I really have no time for those who can't recognize such an enemy. Are they really so dense that they think Muslims WON'T be their enemy after they (justifiably) insult Mohammed?Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936731686633423188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-28092433109414966802015-05-05T09:26:32.235-07:002015-05-05T09:26:32.235-07:00The United Nations is controlled by the OIC which ...The United Nations is controlled by the OIC which will get a Security Council vote on the cheap when Muslims take over France.Eggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-60414542237113552172015-05-05T09:23:19.941-07:002015-05-05T09:23:19.941-07:00Oops - are fullOops - are fullEggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-78413427240029842582015-05-05T07:39:37.235-07:002015-05-05T07:39:37.235-07:00I suggest that you visit the Monticello website to...I suggest that you visit the Monticello website to see that the Founding Fathers were actually abolitionists who advocated the deportation of blacks back to Africa..... Eggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-56469925288906994322015-05-05T00:03:46.940-07:002015-05-05T00:03:46.940-07:00Egghead,
Jihadski was never disputing an announce...Egghead,<br /><br />Jihadski was never disputing an announcement of total deportation, but the whole concept. Also, I never presented the concept in terms of an announcement. The actual implementation of it obviously would require a ramp-up, including readiness. And in addition, any society that is evolving toward that would obviously also evolve toward increasingly heightened suspicion and wariness of Muslims, entailing readiness to defend against civil unrest. All along, I've only been addressing the role of the counter-jihad in its "battle space" (as Frank Gaffney calls it) in the war of ideas phase; and in that context, pushing memes and the art of persuasion surrounding that is paramount. And of course I wouldn't advocate this if I thought there were a better, safer, less messy, less costly, less bloody way to achieve safety of our society. I think those who balk about deportation are balking at it in the abstract, without juxtaposing their consideration of it with their growing learning curve about the concrete nature of the metastasizing, systemic dangers of the global revival of Islamic Jihad.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-75744657123275232732015-05-04T14:25:33.911-07:002015-05-04T14:25:33.911-07:00Well, I am sorry that Jihadski is rude, but I thin...Well, I am sorry that Jihadski is rude, but I think that an announcement of total deportation - just an announcement, mind you, would make the current riots look tame. An awfully lot of black Americans are fully invested in Islam-lite (well, so far, lite).Eggheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-77841659079031851462015-05-03T01:33:14.239-07:002015-05-03T01:33:14.239-07:00Thanks PRODOS. Well, it's not that I was bann...Thanks PRODOS. Well, it's not that I was banned or suspended -- I think it was more of a "surgical strike", since I have been completely able to post comments on all the other threads around it, so it seems awfully odd that somehow there's only a technical glitch on that one thread. Hope to see you around there as well...Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-88980268097855212292015-05-02T17:05:21.614-07:002015-05-02T17:05:21.614-07:00Greetings.
I'm an occasional commenter at Jih...Greetings.<br /><br />I'm an occasional commenter at JihadWatch, and I haven't come across the rude comments you cite.<br /><br />I hope it's not correct that you've been banned or suspended from JihadWatch, and that it was merely some technical problem that prevented you from posting. I do think that's the most likely explanation.<br /><br />I disagree with some of the views you've expressed at JW, don't understand others, but do also find many of them very perceptive and thought-provoking.<br /><br />Anyway, I hope to see you over there again so that I enjoy disagreeing with you. :-)PRODOShttp://fismotron.educationnoreply@blogger.com