tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post3212605026683561147..comments2023-11-05T01:45:58.784-07:00Comments on The Hesperado: One quick splash of Cologne is no substitute for a clean shower—but don't worry, we won't throw out the baby with the bathwater.Hesperadohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-49186124095960446482008-09-26T09:34:00.000-07:002008-09-26T09:34:00.000-07:00teacher.paris,I don't think the GOV community woul...teacher.paris,<BR/><BR/>I don't think the GOV community would say they "don't mind" the "Africanization of Paris". I think on this point they would agree with me that while a non-Islamic "Africanization" of France or any other part of the West presents sociopolitical problems (insofar as "Africanization" implies an inundation of another culture and not just a relatively minor influx of immigrants), those problems are far weaker in magnitude compared with problems attending an Islamicization of France or of any other part of the West. <BR/><BR/>Thus, in the interest of focusing attention on the <I>worse </I>problem, rather than the <I>milder </I>problem, GOV and most other wings of the Anti-Islam Movement are only being unremarkably rational.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-41515241757294829022008-09-25T12:23:00.000-07:002008-09-25T12:23:00.000-07:00nobody,"I think one good way for GoV, Fjordman and...nobody,<BR/><BR/>"I think one good way for GoV, Fjordman and others to criticize Spencer, if they don't want to do it directly, is to criticize his points and publicize the lacunae of those, without mentioning him by name."<BR/><BR/>That could work fine for the most part with aspects of Spencer's analytical methodology (the Islam/Muslim distinction; the asymptomtic avoidance of condemnation of Islam, etc.), but would not work very well for Spencer's betrayal of Filip Dewinter, Vlaams Belang, and the pro-Cologne demonstration. With the latter case, we are not merely talking about methodology and analysis, but also about important points of principle and support which cannot be abstracted from the personal element of political movements -- particularly to the degree that Spencer is influential and well-known.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-89889939206621209662008-09-25T03:26:00.000-07:002008-09-25T03:26:00.000-07:00Nobody,Thank you, I did not knew that (that explai...Nobody,<BR/><BR/>Thank you, I did not knew that (that explains a lot) but you see, he still has no power on the ground. <BR/><BR/>For instance, see what happens when a still-non-subject of the European Union gains a little bit of power: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N02M0NUjXxg&feature=related<BR/><BR/>By the way, and this is off topic but I am hearing TV while commenting and I just here the following: (about homossexual marriage, but it is telling)<BR/><BR/>"The majority cannot have a say in the affairs of the minorities. That is democracy. Democracy is not the rule of the majority but the respect towards the minorities."<BR/><BR/>It was said by a member of the Socialist Youth. The Socialist Party is the power on power by now.<BR/><BR/>Welcome to the European Union.Afonso Henriqueshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17337052330672681364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-45709978875233270442008-09-24T21:51:00.000-07:002008-09-24T21:51:00.000-07:00AlfonsoRobert isn't merely a 'virtual' warrior - w...Alfonso<BR/><BR/>Robert isn't merely a 'virtual' warrior - within the US, he occasionally (often during a major Islamic outrage) appears on radio and on TV shows, and is in fact the only visible face critical of Islam.<BR/><BR/>Erich<BR/><BR/>I think one good way for GoV, Fjordman and others to criticize Spencer, if they don't want to do it directly, is to criticize his points and publicize the lacunae of those, without mentioning him by name. Spencer is constantly haranged by those in the Islamosphere, so I don't blame him for being a tad sensitive to criticism. While taking him on directly, as I did in the Cologne thread, is one way to do it, the other way is to simply take his arguments and point out their individual shortcomings without mentioning the source (which doesn't qualitatively impact the critique in and of itself), as opposed to mentioning him by name, which seems to (more often than not) start an internecine skirmish within the AIM.<BR/><BR/>One needs to remember that the targets of such posts aren't just opinion-makers such as Spencer, but other blog readers as well. Once the shortcomings of any stances of anybody are pointed out, other readers are left at liberty to come to their own conclusions. At the end of the day, the objective of the posters in question are accomplished.Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936731686633423188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-61875447060715325792008-09-24T09:53:00.000-07:002008-09-24T09:53:00.000-07:00Erich,While I am grossly ignorant of what happens ...Erich,<BR/><BR/>While I am grossly ignorant of what happens in the United States over this "anti-jihad" movement I wanted to say that maybe you people valorise too much people like Robert Spencers and others like him (but not Fjordman) who are simple "virtual warriors".<BR/><BR/>While this is a precious help, what we lack is "real warriors" like Filip De Winter and others (the Dutch guy...). <BR/><BR/>All this - in my eyes - is not more than cheap hypocrisy: Virtual warriors wannabe(?) real warriors criticising to death real warriors.<BR/><BR/>In my eyes, at least in my eyes, that is what distinguish Gates of Vienna from other blogs. It apears that Baron/Fjordman and others (Conservative Swede / El Ingles, etc) will stick to real warriors and continue to support them even if things get ugly. I stop visiting Dihmi Watch and Jihad Watch because ... they are so empty man... I can only feel stability in the GoV site, which I feel has lost much audience due to these firm stands - audience that I think will only multiply if they continue doing the good work. However, I will continue to "troll" in Gates of Vienna in order to push those iluminati(ed) souls, the commenters and, especially, the readers, to more broader terms:<BR/><BR/>Not anti-jihad but, Pro-European like, Brussels Journal.<BR/><BR/>P.S. - The absense of posts in GoV concerning non-muslim multicultural problems in the U.S.A. - especially La Razza oriented - sometimes makes me think they are not protecting their American backs as they should... just like the multitude of posts condening Barak Obama for, well, things he should not be accused of like... being Arab (not muslim) instead of black...<BR/>Some excerpts of his book(s) would be much more effective.Afonso Henriqueshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17337052330672681364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-64054585054054391032008-09-24T00:20:00.000-07:002008-09-24T00:20:00.000-07:00latte island,I tend to think it's explained by my ...latte island,<BR/><BR/>I tend to think it's explained by my reason #1 in my essay:<BR/><BR/><I>1) The judgement that Robert Spencer is so valuable to the anti-Islam cause, he is beyond substantive criticism.</I>Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-24292637910594406852008-09-24T00:12:00.000-07:002008-09-24T00:12:00.000-07:00Last year, some of the GoV bloggers attended the A...Last year, some of the GoV bloggers attended the Anti-Jihad conference in Europe. Robert Spencer also attended. It may be that they bonded socially and don't want to trash their friend. That's the only thing I can figure out. Or maybe it's something else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com