tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post3437873967825386587..comments2023-11-05T01:45:58.784-07:00Comments on The Hesperado: The Muslim: The New Black and the New JewHesperadohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-35382893484836265302009-04-30T21:45:00.000-07:002009-04-30T21:45:00.000-07:00But generally, in these racism discussions, I'm no...<I>But generally, in these racism discussions, I'm not aware that that's the case, even though one could argue (like in the case of an Ethiopian who was murdered in LA by gangsta rap gangs - forget whether it was Tupac Shakur or Snoop Doggie Dogg or someone else) that foreign blacks are somewhat less endowed with a sense of entitlement that urban Blacks in the US are, and therefore less prone to crime.</I> - Nobody<br /><br />Available information on <A HREF="http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?ID=403" REL="nofollow">immigration and crime</A> tends to support this. Foreign-born blacks are much less crime-prone than US-born blacks. This is true, actually, for every ethnic group. My guess is that the US approach to civil liberties, i.e. that they are a higher priority than crime control, is seen as an opportunity by the morally frail regardless of race. The logical question is, put civil liberties on a back burner relative to crime control, or restrict immigration. <br /><br />The folks saying "No to both" can safely be ignored, or rather, they could be if they didn't control all the important institutions. *sigh*B322https://www.blogger.com/profile/18257802768718375656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-17081425382409562742009-04-23T23:03:00.000-07:002009-04-23T23:03:00.000-07:00As for the issue of blacks, I generally agree with...As for the issue of blacks, I generally agree with Lawrence Auster about this: there is something pathological about black societies -- wherever they are, whether in Africa (the non-Muslim black Africans have lots of pathologies themselves); the Caribbean, South America, North America, or the UK. Their pathology is not exactly analogous to that of Muslims of course, for reasons I have already explained in other essays. By the way, re: my little analogy of the white suburbanite going to his parked car: Jesse Jackson himself revealed in a moment of candor many years ago that when he is walking down a street at night and he sees a group of youths walking his way, he is <I>relieved</I> when he sees they are white, and he is <I>anxious</I> if he sees they are black. This is simply a normal, common-sensical, logical, rational reaction, based on the fact that black youths late at night do more violence than white youths. It is only the pathology of PC MC that complicates and obfuscates facts like these, in their eternal quest to change reality into utopia.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-48782018551620908192009-04-23T22:47:00.000-07:002009-04-23T22:47:00.000-07:00Nobody,
"The analogy that the pcmc types draw aga...Nobody,<br /><br />"The analogy that the pcmc types draw again falls short. Granted they are being irrational, but that again throws up the question re: their motivation. If it isn't abject anti-Western sentiments, what is it?"<br /><br />The PC MC psychology is fundamentally incoherent. Basically, the analogy of <br /><br />PC MC to the West<br /><br />is<br /><br />a spoiled rebellious teenager to his rich parents while he still lives at home and mooches off their material comforts and money, while at the same time hating them and mocking them and criticizing them at every opportunity he can.<br /><br />I.e., PC MCs are parasitic upon the same West they, day in and day out, work to undermine in one way or another.<br /><br />PC MCs are not as extreme or radical about this as Leftists are -- therefore they are <I>more</I> incoherent and parasitical and hypocritical, because they can't cut the umbilical cord of dependency upon the same West they undermine.<br /><br />The only real difference they have to distinguish them from Leftists is that they tend to be more polite about the West. <br /><br />And I also bifurcate the Leftists into two camps: <br /><br />1) the extremists who nevertheless remain hypocritically parasitical upon the West they hate (perhaps out of cowardice or selfishness)<br /><br />and<br /><br />2) the extremists who really take the "Revolution" seriously.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-75621258192630261172009-04-23T22:22:00.000-07:002009-04-23T22:22:00.000-07:00As long as we are not talking about people who are...As long as we are not talking about people who are primarily motivated by a (self) hatred of the West, this doesn't make sense to me. I'm not a psychologist, but generally, irrationality plays itself out when there is a stronger underlying motivation, such as the above. So my question above didn't exactly apply to hard-core leftists, but rather, people who aspire to be more 'broad minded, open, assimilative and all the rest' - fill in your blanks.<br /><br />I understand the point you made about my proposed train of thought being rational, vs the pcmc one being irrational. But the Black analogy that you drew sort of missed the symmetry with Muslims. To complete it, if in your example, the White guy who felt guilty about being racist happened to have those reactions against American Blacks who've been living for generations, but not against Caribs, or Sub-Saharan African, or South American Blacks, then that analogy could be said to hold. But generally, in these racism discussions, I'm not aware that that's the case, even though one could argue (like in the case of an Ethiopian who was murdered in LA by gangsta rap gangs - forget whether it was Tupac Shakur or Snoop Doggie Dogg or someone else) that foreign blacks are somewhat less endowed with a sense of entitlement that urban Blacks in the US are, and therefore less prone to crime.<br /><br />There is also the problem that in the case of the Nazis and the original holocaust, there was a driving ideology of anti-Semitism inspired by previous centuries of anti-Semitism, and culminating in <I>Mein Kamph</I>. There isn't that sort of thing today - there is not <I>one</I> leader in the world, let alone in the US, who advocates that Muslims worldwide be obliterated, and who's actively influencing his countryment to act on that, the way Hitler did. The analogy that the pcmc types draw again falls short. Granted they are being irrational, but that again throws up the question re: their motivation. If it isn't abject anti-Western sentiments, what is it?Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936731686633423188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-60224207536477137662009-04-23T22:15:00.000-07:002009-04-23T22:15:00.000-07:00Nobody,
Thanks for explaining yourself. I don't...Nobody, <br /><br />Thanks for explaining yourself. I don't understand half of what you said :) -- I guess I'm a low-tech guy. I just look at a comments field like a pad of paper and I want as few bells and whistles as possible. If I can italicize, bold and put a link in, I'm happy.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-66537776335077294892009-04-23T20:41:00.000-07:002009-04-23T20:41:00.000-07:00Erich
Re: Blogger commenting system, bunch of thi...Erich<br /><br />Re: Blogger commenting system, bunch of things:<br /><br />1. Most of the HTML tags don't work, such as UL, LI (which I was originally using for making a bulleted list). For a system that wants to/is supposed to compete with others like Wordpress or Typepad, one would think that it's a given<br /><br />2. Inability to edit one's past post. I don't require a lot of bells & whistles, but some basic capabilities seem to be missing, like lists, strike-out effects, tables (often needed) and videos. The other end is something like Community Server - what we had under I-W: I'm not demanding something like that, although it would be nice.<br /><br />3. I can live w/o the sort of bells & whistles of IntenseDebate, since they seem to be using their current users as beta-testers. But others who have implemented either TypePad or WordPress seem to have got it right. I agree that it's implementation specific - some like Atlas do TypePad right, while some like Debbie are even more limited than the JW Typepad. Also, both HotAir and LGF2 implement Wordpress quite well, w/o including IntenseDebate.<br /><br />I know that you've put some years worth of work into this blog, and I don't expect you to re-do that. But at times, I do find the commenting limitations annoying, and feel the need to vent. This is one such occasionNobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936731686633423188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-3995011814034040252009-04-23T10:00:00.000-07:002009-04-23T10:00:00.000-07:00Nobody,
With regard to your comments about the r...Nobody, <br /><br />With regard to your comments about the racial aspects, I'm not sure I understand the tensions you express here. My description of the "lily-white suburbanite" was, as the description notes, concerning the "politically correct" person. It is the PC psychology that causes all the problems here, and that psycho-logic tends to be irrational and incoherent in many respects.<br /><br />Your comments were generating tension against this simply by virtue of the fact that you were arguing from a standpoint of rationality and coherence; yet you seemed not to factor that in.<br /><br />The "guilt" my analogical description was referring to is not a rational guilt, but a guilt based on an erroneous self-imputation of blame for being "racist" in the PC MC sense of misusing that term. The PC MC anxiety about "racism" is not merely a hammer they use to attack outsiders to their ideology (i.e., to attack "right wingers") -- it is also a weapon they keep ever-ready to use against themselves, for PC MC is as much a tool for self-policing, self-chastizing and self-brainwashing as it is an offensive tool against political opponents. The PC MC has become a "true believer", but part of this process involves an ongoing commitment to root out the "sinful" tendencies that remain lurking in every white person, tendencies to mistreat non-whites. <br /><br />Your logic about how being prejudicial of Muslims is absolved of "racism" by virtue of the fact that you are not prejudicial against a whole rainbow of other non-white (and non-Muslim) minorities around the world -- is eminently rational logic. But, of course, it cannot be processed as such by the PC MC mind.<br /><br />My closely related point in using that example/analogy of the white suburbanite is that the PC MC irrationality with regard to Muslims and "racism" stems from a broader more amorphous irrationality with regard to non-whites and/or non-Westerners in general, and it is reflected in the way, for example, the majority of American whites (who are PC MC) regard American blacks. A similar process occurs in tending to avoid blaming blacks while tending to shift blame onto whites -- i.e., onto themselves -- to explain any data that indicate pathology in black society that cannot be explained with models that would dissolve that pathology using other "socioeconomic" factors. We see this same mechanism at work with the way PC MC responds to data indicating pathology in Muslim societies. And the connection is there because the vast majority of Muslims have a "brown" presentation. One should then add to this the other dynamics I analyzed in my essay -- how Muslims have elbowed their way to the top of the list of Aggrieved Ethnic Minorities Who Can Never Be Wrong and Who Therefore Require Our Deference, Respect and Protection At All Times.Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-52540261518408248232009-04-23T09:44:00.000-07:002009-04-23T09:44:00.000-07:00Nobody,
I rather like the blogspot comments syste...Nobody,<br /><br />I rather like the blogspot comments system, as I have commented on other blogs that are part of this system. It seems far easier and less encumbered by annoying "bells and whistles" than most other comments systems I've encountered. The one particular problem you've complained about before, that your linked text doesn't show up, is not a feature of blogspot per se but of the blue font in one phase of comments here (when you switch over to "leave your comment", the links become visible in that context, which is a perfectly fine context to read comments by). Do you have any other objections to the blogspot comments system?Hesperadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394374828751466705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-45303261433154115962009-04-23T08:16:00.000-07:002009-04-23T08:16:00.000-07:00To a point, I PLEAD guilty (not feel)
The comment...To a point, I PLEAD guilty (not feel)<br /><br />The comments system of blogger.com SUCKS!!!!Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936731686633423188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-59538459384165154402009-04-23T08:08:00.000-07:002009-04-23T08:08:00.000-07:00Erich: just as the politically correct lily-white...Erich: <I> just as the politically correct lily-white suburbanite when he is walking to his parked car late at night on a dubious street and sees five or six black youths approaching feels fear, and feels more fear than if it were five or six white youths—yet at the same time is unable to process this fear rationally so that it becomes consciously accepted as a valid emotion based on logic. The fear is thus repressed and this triggers a concomitant emotion in the politically correct white suburbanite: guilt at his own “racism” lurking deep within himself<br /></I><BR>While a White thinking this about his/her attitude towards Blacks is one thing, I fail to see why this cannot be rationalized by an Infidel thinking such about a Muslim.<br /><br />I have this opinion about Muslims - have had it almost for ever. Yet, I never felt guilty about it, and it was easy to rationalize to myself as to why: I didn't and don't have the same attitude towards other religious groups - Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, Confucians, et al. True, I don't share religious sentiments and practices with any of the above groups, but yet, I don't feel threatened by any of them either. If I did, and I was going to feel guilty about my bigotry, <I>that's</I> the scenario where I'd feel guilty.<br /><br />Now, you may argue that I'm glossing over the racial aspect of this divide. To a point, I feel guilty. Let me put myself in the place of a White Western Christian, who might be feeling guilty about being Islamophobic. The way I'd rationalize that to myself, even if I didn't feel good about the attitude being directed towards a largely non-White population, would be that I don't have such feelings against other people that Muslims share a common complexion with, such as:<br /><br />1. Copts, Maronites, Assyrians and Barber Christians;<br />2. African Black Christians and Animists<br />3. Indian Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, as well as Zoroastrians - both Indian and Persian<br />4. Hindus from Bali or Malaya<br />5. Slavs, such as Serbs and Russians<br /><br />So that would insulate me from the racism tag pretty well, at least to myself, regardless of what Leftards and Mohammedans may think of me.<br /><br />I'm not just playing a theoretical exercise. In the past, on DW, I've had run-ins with that Mohammedan troll 'defenderofislam', who called me a racist for attacking Bangladeshi Muslims in threads related to jihad/shariah in Bangladesh. I simply pointed out to him that I share the same <I>race</I> as them, since my forebears came from pre-1947 Bangladesh when it was a part of India, and not nearly as Islamic. Of course, I don't expect standard Western observers of this to have such racial cognitive dissonance with Mohammedans, but still, if one is repulsed by one subset of non-White people without sharing the same visceral reaction to other non-White peoples, then <I>by definition</I>, the 'racism' tag doesn't apply!!!<br /><br />Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp?Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936731686633423188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29566846.post-73370495210316707302009-04-23T08:07:00.000-07:002009-04-23T08:07:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15936731686633423188noreply@blogger.com