Wednesday, May 18, 2016

An "Angemon Watch" or a "Fessitude Watch" continued...

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In a recent post -- "Angemon Watch" vs. "Fessitude Watch" -- I noted how a certain long-time regular commenter on Jihad Watch and part of the dominant in-group there, one "Angemon", has been pestering me for at least two years (if not much longer).  The "pestering" consists of the following behaviors:

1) I post a comment of some kind of observation or analysis about one of the many features of the problem of Islam.

2) In my comment, the vast majority of times, I don't mention Angemon by name.

3)  Angemon zooms in to quibble, carp and harp on my points -- more often than not misunderstanding them and in an annoyingly complex way mischaracterizing parts of what I argued.

4) #3 wouldn't be so bad if it was just a few times here and there.  But it has been incessant, regular and voluminous for over two years now.

5) And #4 wouldn't be so bad if Angemon wasn't taking all that obsessive time & trouble to  criticize my tougher stance on the problem of Islam.  And even that by itself I wouldn't mind if he did it in good faith, intelligently, and without sophistry; qualities which seem to elude Angemon.  It took a while, I suppose, but eventually Angemon's true colors came out when almost a year ago he accused me of being like "Goebbels" (typically, his fellow in-group member, "gravenimage", at the time waved her frail wrist in strangely mild reproof, telling Angemon gently that such a comparison is "wrong" -- rather than monstrously unacceptable (unless, of course, I were "like Goebbels") and indicative of something deeply amiss with Angemon's analysis of the entire problem).

More broadly, this doggedly offending nougat of underlying softness in Angemon has seemed seemed to be motivating him to hound me and pester me for over two years (if that's not the reason, then he's a deranged stalker, or he just likes my aftershave that much...).  The failure of the Jihad Watch in-group to notice this, and to rally & respond with baseline health to his nonsense, then has morphed into the larger problem beyond Angemon -- who by himself is not that significant.

Since I returned to Jihad Watch in (I think) early March under a new name "Fessitude", I studiously ignored Angemon and kept plugging away with my own comments about other things far more important than him.  I could not help notice, of course, every time I would revisit my comments to see if any decent, fair-minded, sane reader had seen fit to respond, I kept noticing, more and more, the words "Angemon says..."Fessitude wrote" hovering beneath my comments like some kind of needling, lunatic wasp, followed I am certain by now (after months of weary experience back in the days when I actually tried to engage him) by his tortured blather of sophistry in the service of the soft approach to the problem of Muslims.  A sophistry, as I say, I have learned from years of beleaguered experience to recoil from (or at least to do my best to try to avoid), as one would when suddenly coming upon a giant tarantula in one's pile of laundry.

So, as March and April unfolded and the cherry blossoms began to explode almost as abundantly as Muslims around the world, I couldn't help but notice, more and more, with increasing annoyance and weariness, those multiplying "Angemon says..."Fessitude wrote"s adhering like irritating sticker burrs to my posts.

At that point, I made the following observation in a blog post update here in early May:

 Angemon has continued to pester me so much, zooming in to pick at my comments with his sophistry in service of a soft approach to the problem of Islam, that by now the number must have doubled to 40... 

Well, after I actually took the time and trouble to go through the March and April archives using Google Advanced Search (at the time, May was not available), I learned that I had underestimated that Energizer Bunny of Jihad Watch comments.  As I documented in the previous blog posting here (linked up top), the actual ratio of comments by Angemon zooming in to pester me when I didn't even mention him -- versus those comments where I had mentioned him first -- turned out to be 62 to 5.

That's 62 comments by Angemon zooming in to pester me, compared with a measly 5 by me -- during the months of March/April.  Before I had done that research, I noted in a Jihad Watch comment:

...the ratio of comments where I respond to (or even indirectly allude to) Angemon, versus those where he is responding to my comments is like 90 to 1 (90 Angemon pestering me, 1 me mentioning Angemon)...

Turns out my guesstimate was amazingly near the mark.

Since then, I thought I'd check on the May archives and see if Angemon has kept up his ratio. It's only May 18, and already Angemon has exceeded his rate of pestering me.  I counted the following ratio as of today:

Angemon -- 41 [Update: the morning of May 19 -- it's now 42] 
[Second Update: even more have cropped up in the three days since, May 19-21 -- too tedious to count, and not really relevant to my overall point; Angemon in the month of May may even double his record of the previous months of approximately 30 per month]

Fessitude -- 9 [And yes, my number is still 9] [Update (5/22/16): As Angemon has continued to pester me, I have responded here and there (but nowhere approaching the vicinity of his obscenely high numbers) -- a natural reaction, as when a person responds to a bully (what is not a natural reaction is when the Jihad Watch in-group, including gravenimage, chide me for responding to my bully, rather than chide the bully.  That is a curiously perverted reaction, whose most generous explanation is that they have become caught up in the in-group psychology of defending their own at all cost, no matter how irrational and unfair that turns out to be)]

Remember, it took Angemon two months (March and April) to accrue the already obscene number of 62 posts zooming in to pester me (versus my 5). Now, with only 18 days under his belt, he has managed to accrue proportionally significantly more than that. Calculating the March/April record of Angemon as 31 per month, we then calculate the 18 days of May thus far as 2/3 of a month. Had Angemon maintained his obscene level of March/April, he would have accrued as of May 18 only 2/3 of 31 which = approximately 23.

Seeing that he has in reality accrued 41 [42: see Update above] as of May 18, we can see that Angemon has nearly doubled his rate of zooming in to pester me at Jihad Watch comments.

(Note: The increase of my part of the ratio is from 5 over the course of March/April, to 9 in the first 18 days of May. Should this lessen the obscenity of what Angemon is doing? In what universe would that be a fair judgement of the situation?)

Speaking of bizarre alternative universes, let us remind ourselves of those words of reproof which the Jihad Watch regular (and member of Angemon's in-group), one "gravenimage" directed my way a couple of weeks ago. At the time, I was in the fresh aftermath of this flurry of Angemon's obsession with me. Already he had zoomed in to pester me with 62 responses to comments of mine in which I hadn't even mentioned him -- even though at the time, I hadn't bothered to tally it up. At that point, when I happened to dare dared to pipe up and fight back against my bully, what did gravenimage bother to say about it all?

Oh yes:

gravenimage says
May 10, 2016 at 10:34 pm

When faced with the horror of Muslim savagery on display here, Fessitude appears to believe that this is “Angemon Watch”.


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Further Reading:

Readers may want to read my comments to two of my readers below.

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't know why do you even bother with the man. He is a lightweight and a bore who never offers anything original, fresh or stimulating. I guess, he may be correct from time to time, but who has patience to follow his prose in order to find out. A profoundly uninspiring plodder. An ox.
T. S.

Richard James said...

I rather agree with T.S. above. Why waste your valuable time responding to Angemon and his claque - he's essentially trolling you in order to make himself feel virtuous and his position essentially comes down to "Islam is bad, Muslims are bad but hey! I'm not going to utter that second observation too loudly and I'm not going to suggest anything, never mind do anything, that might really deal with the problem".

Ignore his posts harrying you without reason, ditto gravenimage etc and when you're on Jihad Watch get on with posting your own cogent observations and suggestions rather than being distracted by these insects.

Hesperado said...

"I don't know why do you even bother with the man. He is a lightweight and a bore who never offers anything original, fresh or stimulating. I guess, he may be correct from time to time, but who has patience to follow his prose in order to find out. A profoundly uninspiring plodder. An ox."

I appreciate the supportive sentiment; however two things I would point out:

One is, as I have said a few times (though I may not have made it explicit), I don't bother with Angemon and haven't bothered with him for about two years now -- if by "bother with" one means reading his comments directed at me and then taking time & trouble to get entangled in disputes with his critiques of me.

Secondly, another thing I may not have made explicit is that my two posts here on Angemon are not really about him, they are indictments of the Jihad Watch comments community, who unfailingly either support Angemon or tacitly enable his bullying tactics, his sophistry, and -- because they never, ever utter criticisms of it -- his soft philosophy & approach to the problem of Islam.

At any rate, I just wanted to create two posts about this, as a matter of record and of principle; and I certainly don't intend to waste any more time on Angemon and his in-group at Jihad Watch.

Right up to the last two days and into this morning, as I revisited a Jihad Watch comments thread on the Egyptian Air crash, I have studiously ignored Angemon's multiple attacks on me. And now his old tag-team buddy, who used to go by the name "Philip Jihadski" until he got banned for exploding in fury at other posters and threatening them with violence, has reappeared under the name "joe blow" to help Angemon by zooming in to pester me alongside Angemon -- and of course, the rest of the Jihad Watch in group (gravenimage, Mirren, Champ, Wellington, JayBoo, Western Canadian, etc. either coimpletely ignore their attacks on me, or sometimes pipe up to lend them support in one way or another).

"I rather agree with T.S. above. Why waste your valuable time responding to Angemon and his claque"

I think my response to T.S. above suffices to answer that; I'd only reiterate that I haven't responded to Angemon in something like two years (with perhaps 5 or 6 extremely minor exceptions -- that's 5 or 6 brief ripostes I dashed off in the span of 30 seconds each over the span of two years) A couple of times in addition I appealed to the wider Jihad Watch community, including gravenimage herself, to notice what Angemon is doing and try to do something about it.

"he's essentially trolling you in order to make himself feel virtuous and his position essentially comes down to "Islam is bad, Muslims are bad but hey! I'm not going to utter that second observation too loudly and I'm not going to suggest anything, never mind do anything, that might really deal with the problem"."

Because I define "trolling" as an activity of disinformation and provocation that is never in the service of a principle but is merely an activity of nihilistic mischief, I'd hesitate to call Angemon's activity "trolling" -- since I believe he is doing this as a matter of principle which you alluded to: namely, the principle of protecting Muslims from the "Goebbels" of the West (like me, apparently). His activity in service of this principle certainly resembles trolling, replete with sophistry that gets the interlocutor entangled in more and more snares of logical fallacies and prevarications & equivocations that have to be disentangled more and more, losing sight of the original point.

Hesperado said...

Note: I said I've only responded to Angemon about 5 or 6 times in the past approximately two years; readers may note a discrepancy in my tally recorded in my two posts, of 5 + 9 comments by me in the past 3 months. But those 14 comments are just me parenthetically mentioning Angemon by name; they are not taking any time or trouble to construct anything about him or his position -- and, crucially, they are not responses to anything he said or attempted to argue (and thus do not reflect me taking or wasting any of my time in so doing). Whereas his over 100 comments he has zoomed in to pester my comments with have been long and detailed nitpicking constructions of sophistry which even to a hack like that, must take him a lot of time to construct.

I suppose one silver lining is that I'm evidently keeping Angemon off the street...

Hesperado said...

I wrote:

" Whereas his over 100 comments he has zoomed in to pester my comments with..."

That's over 100 comments just in the past three months -- March, April, and May (and May is still only 2/3 of the way through...)

Egghead said...

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Egghead said...

There are NO accidents. :(

There ARE people trying to change everyone's basic neurological processing of information - and those people are committed Marxists - and Marxism/Communism is intended to lead to Jewish oligarchical rule.

Whether anyone likes it or not, the evidence is available....

mirren10 said...

Have you noticed that your one regular commenter, 'egghead', is a vicious anti-Semite, and hater of Israel ?

Or don't you care ?

Anonymous said...

'mirren' (a jewish name): In judaism exists the tenet of lashan hora ('evil speech')whereby even the truth should not be spoken if it may in any way be construed as possibly harmful to the 'community'. Quite a neat way of keeping the truth under wraps and the ancestor of all so-called 'hate speech', 'political correctness' and those terms so beloved of those who wish to silence discussion and honest debate ('anti-semitism', 'islamophobia', 'homophobia,' 'xenophobia', 'racism', 'racialism', 'populism', ad nauseam). The commenter 'egghead' has been quite factual, dispassionate and provided numerous links to her comments; perhaps you might care to debate and dispute the points raised in them rather than reducing this blog site to personal invective?

Hesperado said...

mirren10 said...

Have you noticed that your one regular commenter, 'egghead', is a vicious anti-Semite, and hater of Israel ?

Or don't you care ?

I have noticed; and I care. I have written comments to Egghead before explaining how I disagree with her on this. I maintain comments in a spirit of absolute free speech. I'm under no obligation to correct every commenter every time they post something I disagree with (let alone any time, for that matter).

If readers care about Egghead's views, I welcome their input any time to set the record straight on Egghead's views.

Hesperado said...

And notice that "Mirren" one of the members of the Angemon Rat Pack (or should I say, "Rabbit Pack"), has nothing to say about the topic (the problem of which she's one of the dubious supporting characters).

Hesperado said...

Anonymous wrote:

"The commenter 'egghead' has been quite factual, dispassionate and provided numerous links to her comments; perhaps you might care to debate and dispute the points raised in them rather than reducing this blog site to personal invective?"

I have found that Egghead's "facts" and links lead to welters of factoids that only make sense when forced into an interpretive framework that, for reasons I explained in a comment to her long ago, I find untenable and incoherent, when not outlandish.

Now watch: months will go by, and then some other mean-spirited in-group clique-member like "Mirren" will come by and demand why I don't do something about Egghead... as though I had never written about the problem and clarified how I disagree with Egghead.

Egghead said...

I just noticed the comments above, and I have the following response:

1. To Anonymous: God bless you whoever you are. :)

2. To Mirren: Judging by your comment, you appear to be a vicious anti-Christian and hater of the Christian West. As a Western Christian, why should I love the Jewish theocratic state of Israel? What has the Jewish theocratic state of Israel ever done for me? What has the Jewish theocratic state of Israel done to me? What will the Jewish theocratic state of Israel do for me?

After Muslims make the West unliveable, will the Jewish theocratic state of Israel solicit, accept, and fully fund Christian refugees with wide open arms - or just Jewish refugees?

Riddle me this: Can Christians legally marry Jews in Israel? If not, why not?

http://israel.usembassy.gov/mobile//consular/acs/marriage.html

http://m.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Israels-marriage-laws-are-discriminatory-331386#article=0M0Y2MTM5RDY1QzY4Mzc5ODlGNzVGOUZFQTc5REJFREQ=

According to Karl Denninger, the solution to Christianity versus homosexual marriage is to eliminate civil marriage. Sound familiar to the Israeli situation?!

3. To Hesp: I go where the evidence leads, and that evidence is compelling and scary that Jews are actively working to eliminate the Christian West.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/1/28/1359821/-Israel-and-the-paradox-of-theocracy

Anonymous said...

You're a blowhard dipshit.

Anonymous said...

Fessitude, that is.