Tuesday, November 25, 2014

Fed up with the Counter-Jihad Softies

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I don't know if I'm fed up for good, or if it's just a passing phase (which keeps coming back, like Irritable Bowel Syndrome).  On one level, it doesn't really matter, as the problem it's responding to won't seem to go away (like chronic Athlete's Foot). 

For a glimpse into this, I recently underwent a rather intense flurry lasting a couple of days of exchanges with (or rather mostly irascible pot-shots taken by me against) other Jihad Watch commenters in a comments field attached to a story about Queen Rania of Jordan's recent rallying of the Islam-is-Peace Moderates against the Big Bad (and apparently utterly non-Islamic) ISIS.

Note: my moniker over there at Jihad Watch is "voegelinian".  Enjoy.

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm finding Jihad Watch of ever less use or interest as anything but a news agglomerator on the topic of mohammedans, their deceits and their murderous acts.

Many of the BTL commenters are at best deluded, at worst gloating and idiotic

The way I see the mohammedan problem, and the way I think you see it in greater detail, is this.

The Koran, the Hadiths and the other mohmmedan scriptures aren't the core problem, they're as as inert as the Code of Hammurabi so long as nobody believes in them or seeks to apply their rules.

The problem is the people who apply those rules, which is to say muslims or as they are more accurately named, Mohammedans as they don't submit to any God, they submit to Mohammed.

Mohammedans themselves are the problem because they embody and give agency to the violent oppressive murderous teachings of Mohammad, and because they give agency to the doctrine of strategic lying about their religion and about their religion's intention to make war on the rest of humanity.

Although there may be some mohammedans who do not wish to oppress and murder non-mohammedans it isn't possible for us to distinguish those probably rare peaceful mohammedan from the dissembling aggressive, murderous mohammedans who intend us harm and are merely waiting their moment to strike and kill one or thousands of us.

We have to assume that mohammedans believe and will obey their scripture consistently and we know that "peaceful" mohammedans are not obeying the rules of their violent and aggressive religion.

Given this situation, even assuming that some mohammedans may be peaceful by their own individual nature, allowing them or any mohammedans to remain in our societies is allowing a source of danger and murder to reside among us

To give benefit of the doubt to the possibly pacifistic muslims residing amongst us is to fatally risk being wrong, at the cost of the freedom and lives of ourselves and the other non-mohammedans in our societies.

By choosing or by continuing to remain mohammedan, with the religion's codes of murder, warfare, torture, and strategic deceit, mohammedans schedule themselves for expulsion from our societies, and that expulsion, regardless of a mohammedan's birthplace, ethnic background,nationality, or stated intentions toward non-muhammedans,is necessary as a matter of self-protection for us.

This is what most of the ATL and BTL posters at Jihad Watch and most other counter-jihad sites lack the moral courage or clarity to understand.

yours,
Richard

Hesperado said...

Thanks Richard; I couldn't agree more with everything you said. Now, why is it so hard, apparently, for the majority of proudly anti-Islam Jihad Watchers to simply say the same (and to refrain from attacking me when I push the issue)?

Egghead said...

When I used to comment at Gates of Vienna, I made the same point: namely, that Islam is NOTHING without Muslims. Muslims enliven Islam. Thus, every person who identifies as a Muslim is dangerous to all non-Muslims because they lend credence to a philosophy that encourages real actions bent on torturing and murdering non-Muslims. Even if a particular Muslim is 'peaceful,' that Muslim may bear children who seek their religious roots and become murderous. Thus, ostensibly 'peaceful' Muslims beget murderous children.

However, as the Muslim and non-Muslim people purposely importing Muslims into the West well know, it will be impossible to expel Muslims - just as it has been impractical and thus impossible to expel other non-European groups from the West at various junctures. This is just one reason, among many, WHY the European West firmly BARRED Muslims from immigrating and/or living in Europe.

As has been intended by non-Muslim importers of Muslims, the only practical solution will be to BAR Islam in all of its many religious, cultural, and social manifestations: Bar mosques, community centers, private schools, literature, symbols, Facebook pages. Anything Muslim must go.

But, as the religious 'atheists' will argue, the only fair way is to also bar other religions: most especially Christianity. Hey, the Muslims will obligingly help with that by razing Western churches and symbols - including Western 'Christians' who have failed to appreciate and nurture their traditional faith in their own homelands.

Anonymous said...

"why is it so hard, apparently, for the majority of proudly anti-Islam Jihad Watchers to simply say the same"

I think you've partly answered this yourself elsewhere on this blog - put briefly, they don't want to feel bad about themselves by holding what they think are "nasty", "evil", or "unethical" thoughts about others.

The Nazi treatment of the Jews casts a long shadow and a I'd guess many in the Counter Jihad make a false equivalence of Nazi treatment of the innocent Jews with necessary expulsion of the guilty mohammedans.

They don't realise that the treatment of the Jews was motivated by bigotry, the necessity to expel mohammedans is based a knowledge of mohammedan history, an understanding of mohammedan scripture, and an awareness of mohammedan actions in the present.

I think there are other reasons too, one being that most people cannot imagine that other people think in a way radically different from themselves. I have mild Asperger's Syndrome so I've had actively to teach myself to think in a "normal" way and thus I know from personal experience that people not only hold different opinions but can think and perceive very differently one from another.

A lot of Counter Jihadists can't imagine that mohammedans, most of whom have been conditioned from birth to think of non-mohammedans with contempt, to wish us evil, to think we need to be killed if necessary for their twisted idea of God to control the whole world, really think like this deep down.

Counter Jihadists don't get it that for example Mohammdedans really do believe that we Kuffar know that "Islam" is the one true faith and we are rejecting it out of our own perversity.

Many Counter Jihadists can't comprehend that to be mohammedan is to aspire to be evil.

I think it was you who observed that the inner jihad really might be the greater jihad because the inner jihad is what makes a mohammedan mohammedan: the inner jihad is essentially the striving to suppress and remove all one's conscience, all one's compassion, all one's independent thought, and replace it with the Sharia.

Many in the Counter Jihad movement don't understand that the essence of being a muhammedan is that active choice of evil. Muslims strive to be evil just as Christians strive to obey their consciences and Buddhists strive for compassionate awareness.

It's hard to accept that every sincere mohammedan is striving to be evil, but they are.

Many people in the Counter Jihad feel discomfort with that thought to the degree that they think themselves evil for even contemplating it.

And they are angry with people like you, like us, for making them contemplate it, hence their attacks on you at Jihad Watch.

Yours
Richard James

Anonymous said...

If you have come to the conclusion that it is MUSLIMS who are the problem because they are tied to their texts which confirm their identity as Muslims, you have to grapple with the fact that by migrating into countries that do not share their identity they have come as invaders, and by holding their laws as superior to the authority of the state they are in they are also traitors.

It is actually very easy to see this fact but very difficult to say it, publicly for legal reasons.
Yet you have to make non Muslims aware of this fact in order that that you can make Muslims change their tune.
The Jewish people stopped stoning people to death when the Romans made Israel one of its dominions, as you can gather from the scripture where Christ is facing the trickery of the Sadducees and Pharisees regrading the woman taken in adultery, because for Christ to have denied the Scriptures regarding adultery he would have abrogated Moses and the Law, and at the same time because there was an injunction that no person should be condemned to death without a trial by Roman Law Jesus, had he condemned the woman to stoning he would have been guilty of sedition.

So the Jewish people of the day in Roman times treated those scripture of Moses as a dead letter because of the Roman Law, after all that is why Christ was delivered up to Pontius Pilate the Jewish people could not pronounce upon him a death sentence without a trial.

Therefore I say that WHEN IN ROME, leave your provincial and tribal Laws at the Gates or you will eventually fall foul of those laws and you may find that if you think your Laws are mandated by a higher court, the authority of the state may have to change its own Laws to protect its citizens from injustice, and that is a God given right, even to pronouncing rebellion as treason.

I believe that it will become so and I also believe that the death penalty will have to be reinstated because prisons will not be able to hold the hordes of Jihadis who are travelling around the world causing displacement of communities, and war crimes.

Anonymous said...

If you have come to the conclusion that it is MUSLIMS who are the problem because they are tied to their texts which confirm their identity as Muslims, you have to grapple with the fact that by migrating into countries that do not share their identity they have come as invaders, and by holding their laws as superior to the authority of the state they are in they are also traitors.

It is actually very easy to see this fact but very difficult to say it, publicly for legal reasons.
Yet you have to make non Muslims aware of this fact in order that that you can make Muslims change their tune.
The Jewish people stopped stoning people to death when the Romans made Israel one of its dominions, as you can gather from the scripture where Christ is facing the trickery of the Sadducees and Pharisees regrading the woman taken in adultery, because for Christ to have denied the Scriptures regarding adultery he would have abrogated Moses and the Law, and at the same time because there was an injunction that no person should be condemned to death without a trial by Roman Law Jesus, had he condemned the woman to stoning he would have been guilty of sedition, and murder!

So the Jewish people of the day in Roman times treated those scripture of Moses as a dead letter because of the Roman Law, after all that is why Christ was delivered up to Pontius Pilate the Jewish people could not pronounce upon him a death sentence without a trial.

Therefore I say that WHEN IN ROME, leave your provincial and tribal Laws at the Gates or you will eventually fall foul of those laws and you may find that if you think your Laws are mandated by a higher court, the authority of the state may have to change its own Laws to protect its citizens from injustice, and that is a God given right, even to pronouncing rebellion as treason.

I believe that it will become so and I also believe that the death penalty will have to be reinstated because prisons will not be able to hold the hordes of Jihadis who are travelling around the world causing displacement of communities, and war crimes.

Egghead said...

Courtesy of Ann Barnhardt:

http://www.pewsitter.com/view_news_id_189810.php

http://www.barnhardt.biz/

Logical conclusion: The current 'Pope' is an atheist.

Egghead said...

Remember what Pius XI said:

"For since they hold it for certain that men destitute of all religious sense are very rarely to be found, they seem to have founded on that belief a hope that the nations, although they differ among themselves in certain religious matters, will without much difficulty come to agree as brethren in professing certain doctrines, which form as it were a common basis of the spiritual life. For which reason conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission. Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, since they all in different ways manifest and signify that sense which is inborn in us all, and by which we are led to God and to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule. Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little. turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion."