Rearranging deck chairs on the H.M.S. Titanic...
No, white people are fakes and cowards.White people who have abandoned Christian morality positively cling to fake imitation morality in order to feel 'superior' while promoting 'equality.'White people are NOT going to confront non-whites due to white cowardice. White people are more afraid to lose their jobs and friends than to lose Western civilization via obvious white genocide.White people fiddle - and handsomely pay for Muslims to invade (and soon burn down) Rome.
Hesp/Voeg, I've just come here after looking around "Harry's Place" which I do now and then, being english and looking for some interesting links from the more aware BTL posters. "The Hesperado" is the only place where I find clear thinking about islam and muslims and the real nature of the threat they pose.I have to hold my nose before I jump in to the very muddy waters of Harry's Place but I visit now and then to find BTL links to un- or under-reported UK islam-related news. And also of course to see what lies they're telling about us to soothe their self-misperception that they might be "bigots".There's a lovely little example there of the conflation of race with religion/ideology where islam and muslims are concerned. One of the few counter-jihad posters there was banned on Friday by Gene, one of the moderators and as far as I know the owner of the "Harry's Place" blog. Compared to Gene, Sarah A. Brown is a beacon of clear thinking and moral intelligence ;-)As you know, in the process of of understanding the nature of muslims and islam to call Harry's Place asymptotic would be to give them an undue compliment. They're nowhere near the y-axis yet. Gene's reason for banning Paul? see below... (pasted her because, as you know, Harry's Place almost uniquely bans BTL comments after 7 days so that the blog remains clean of defilement by specks of truth about islam).Paul • 2 days agoI keep getting kicked off Disqus and I don't know why. Anyway, I'm back now. If SarahAB has banned me, please tell me and I will stop posting. SarahAB Mod > Paul • 2 days ago I believe someone else may have banned you. Gene Mod > SarahAB • 2 days ago It was me. I've banned you again. Please go away. Andrea Collins > Gene • 2 days ago Yes, why? Gene Mod > Andrea Collins • 2 days ago Because if he wrote about Jews or blacks the way he writes about Muslims, I would ban him too.______________________________Just a minor example of the conflation of race with religion, largely to demonstrate to the conflator himself that he isn't a bigot. I would describe as a wilful denier of reaity anyone who spends significant time gaining an understanding of Islam and then doesn't reach the conclusion that simply by remaining or becoming a muslim, muslims have made an appalling and self-incriminating moral choice that means they cannot be trusted for the sake of our own safety to live in our societies and therefore must not allowed to reside here. Why? Because they have chosen a religion that explicitly authorises murder, extortion, slavery, rape and so on, and recommends to them multiple ways to lie about their religion and their intentions in order to advance it. It's this lying more than anything that ensures that no identified muslim should be allowed to reside in our societies, never mind be trusted.It's significant that Jihadists now mostly don't feel they have to deceive us any more and state plainly that they wish to slaughter us. They have sensed that the response of the Establishments in the West is to put their fingers in their ears and shout "La-la-la-la-la!" at the tops of their voices.Know our enemies AND our friends indeed, Voeg.
Sorrry, I should have written that Harry's place removes BTL comments after seven days, not "bans" them.
If you REALLY want to go through the looking glass into Never-never-land, consider the idea that Jews implemented Communism and have actively facilitated the Western Muslim invasion in order to genocide white Christians.Coming from the most PCMC background, if I can admit that Muslims are trying to murder me, then I can admit that Jews are ALSO trying to murder me.
Once I read that Socrates said that men are responsible for picking and following 'bad' religions with 'bad' results - even when men are born into those religions.I have not been able to find a citation for that yet.
Here is an example of ridiculousness:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3308895/Missouri-football-players-boycott-support-protest.htmlIf a gang of white football players accosted a black university president after a football game, the narrative would be quite different....But, the white president publicly feeds all white people to the baying dogs of racism in order to try to 'save' his own job....
Another example of non-white Yale students as an aggressive group encircling and harassing a white professor:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3309259/Yale-students-come-forward-share-experiences-campus-racism-Whites-Girls-fraternity-party-claims.htmlAgain, if the colors were reversed, we would hear a different narrative....
Thanks Richard James, I appreciate the support and it's nice to know someone, anyone, who has matriculated beyond Islam 101 (let alone PC MC).I briefly took an extended swim at Harry's Place some time ago and wrote an essay here about it. It might interest you. I did so at first because Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch referenced them. When he did so, the Jihad Watch article in question mushroomed with over 100 comments (remarkable for Jihad Watch) -- and several Harry's Place regulars popped over to assure us they were good counter-jihadists. One thing I noticed about them was a glibly naive trust in Maajid Nawaz. Harry's Placehttp://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/09/harrys-place.htmlAbout one thing you wrote: "It's significant that Jihadists now mostly don't feel they have to deceive us any more and state plainly that they wish to slaughter us."I agree; though I think the jihadist "bad cops" still need their counterpart "good cops" as a foil & contrast to keep the Western Useful Idiots placated.
Thanks HespI've just re-read your "Harry's Place" post - I had read it before, probably at the time you posted it, but it's been useful to read it again.I rarely post BTL at Harry's Place because when I have my posts on Islam and Muslims were often removed.I recently posted there in direct reply to Sarah AB who was emitting her usual vapidities about islam and muslims - Harry's Place uses Disqus which does save all one's comments at one's Disqus account even though Harry's Place deletes them at the blog after a week. I post on Disqus as "Maura Labingi". The sub-thread was a discussion about the textual context of the "no compulsion in religion" quotation used by muslims - yes, they're mostly so low on the learning curve that they still need to discuss that...SarahAB Mod > Mark • 11 days agoI have no objection if people seem to be reading the Qur'an a bit selectively as long as they are sincere.Maura Labingi > SarahAB • 11 days agoAnd how will you know they're sincere, Sarah? Can you read their minds?Sincerity, pah!As Mark says, "The "but" comes into it when those who use that one line, know everything that surrounds it and are only using it complicitly in order to evade from the other verses that mean the absolute opposite."Are you prepared to endanger our society on weak points like your having "no objection if people seem to be reading the Qur'an a bit selectively as long as they are sincere" despite all the evidence that Muslims practice a variety of scripturally sanctioned deceptions to advance their religion and do that with great sincerity because that is what their religion and their "Messenger of Allah" instruct?And that's not even to mention the lethal violence.It sounds to me like you're whistling in the dark.----------------From the evidence of her posts, Professor Sarah A Brown of Anglia Ruskin University and Harry's Place is a shockingly sloppy thinker and given to posting ATL links to articles she later admits BTL that she hasn't read deeply because she's just woken up or just had her breakfast. Never mind her being one of the people who lost Britain as Spencer put it, she sometimes gives the impression that she would struggle to find her own backside in a brightly lit room.With almost all the staff and posters at HP I get the impression that they know or suspect the truth about Islam and muslims but are striving very hard to convince themselves they are mistaken in order to preserve their need to think themselves good (=PCMC) people.I agree absolutely with your opinion of Majid Nawaz and the rest of the supposed ex-"extremists" "good cops" at Quilliam. I think there's a huge clue in the name they chose for their foundation. I don't need to tell you that Abdullah Quilliam was an English convert to Islam, built the first mosque in Britain, argued for the establishment of a global Caliphate, swore allegiance to the Ottoman Empire, and urged muslims to fight against European powers and was often denounced as a traitor. One of the foundation's publicly stated aims is "to make Islam at home in Britain and Europe".Just choosing Quilliam as their figurehead suggests the real agenda of Maajid Nawaz and his friends at the Foundation. If I may adapt your designation of Nawaz, oily snakes indeed. Oily snakes engaged in the usual muslim strategy of trusting us not to examine too closely what they say and do.
Unfortunately, I know people who are atheists and Jews who hate Christianity so much that they are actively making false equivalencies among ideas (religions) and behaviors (crusades versus Muslim wars, invasions, and terrorism).Rather than caring that Islam is evil, they are contending that Christianity is just as evil as - or really MORE evil - than Islam. Thus, they claim that we deserve what we get from Muslims. You will see this sentiment when many Jews leave comments about the Muslim invasion of Europe.The constant haranguing about the Holocaust which is presented as an official sanctioned act perpetrated by the Christian West against Jews exclusively (instead of a crime against the Christian West that was FOUGHT by the Christian West) enables these false equivalencies.The Christian genocides in Russia by Jews and Armenia by Turks are NEVER admitted to be genocides because that would disturb the current 'narrative' that white Christians are the world's worst holocausters - who should be genocided for that reason!
Thanks again, Richard James - very interesting stuff about HP."With almost all the staff and posters at HP I get the impression that they know or suspect the truth about Islam and muslims but are striving very hard to convince themselves they are mistaken in order to preserve their need to think themselves good (=PCMC) people."Yes, that's the psychology of what I have called the "asymptotic" counter-jihadist -- by a curious paradox, their very increasing awareness of the problem causes an internal reaction of denial. In a way, I'd say the asymptotics are more incoherent in their denial than are the PC MCs, if only because the degree of artful mental gymnastics is necessarily higher, given their superior awareness. Why they would feel the need to do these gymnastics points to the only reasonable explanation we can come up with -- namely that for some reason they harbor higher residues of PC MC in their minds than do those of us who don't feel the need to flex into yoga pretzels in order to assuage our anxiety about being "bigoted" and "racist" and "tarring all Muslims with one brush", etc."I think there's a huge clue in the name they chose for their foundation. I don't need to tell you that Abdullah Quilliam was an English convert to Islam, built the first mosque in Britain, argued for the establishment of a global Caliphate, swore allegiance to the Ottoman Empire, and urged muslims to fight against European powers and was often denounced as a traitor."Yes indeed, and another unflattering fact of his biography: he urged Muslims to oppose the British government for its opposition to a jihadist movement in the Sudan that in its day was rampaging around much like ISIS."Just choosing Quilliam as their figurehead suggests the real agenda of Maajid Nawaz and his friends at the Foundation."Not only that, but it is reasonable to suppose that Maajid chose that name in order to gloat secretly at how stupid the kuffar in the Counter-Jihad are, that they would partner with him even after he chose such a brazenly immoderate name for his Foundation. "Jihading in plain sight"...
And, as always, there is the problem of 'who is paying whom to say what?'GoV has significant Jewish writers and donators who are effectively paying GoV to ignore and/or dilute inconvenient information about the Jewish contribution to the rise of Islam - even banning related comments.
My 2nd to last comment disappeared. What I said was that, once people question Islam, they also question the roles of Jews and blacks facilitating the rise of Islam. And most whites know more Jews and blacks than Muslims, so that can be highly discomfiting. How very inconvenient is the history that Jews and Africans ran the slave trade with Muslims?
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