As I've said a few times lately, I don't go back to Jihad Watch comments anymore. Except recently, I thought I'd take a look at one particular thread -- "UK: 12 Muslims jailed for sexually exploiting 13-year-old girl" -- partially because it had so many comments (over a 100 when I saw it).
I wasn't expecting much, after years of general disappointment in the quality of the Jihad Watchers of late. What a pleasant surprise, then, to see the comments of someone I'd never seen before -- one "Gray" -- gracing that battle space of the Counter-Jihad (such as it is) with a refreshing spring rain of integrity and common sense, contrasted with the stale and rigid flabbiness of the regulars there!
It all began when someone named "stan" fired off an intemperate salvo in the form of an ostensibly genocidal comment --
If I was king of this world, I’d exterminate every Muslim that walks the earth.
This very soon elicited various forms of corrective comments from the regulars. Some of them called it "Hitler talk". Leave it to the egregious Jihad Watch Softie, mortimer (so soft, he's downright suspicious), to chime in:
Your Hitlerism was condemned at Nuremburg...
You have not thought through your ideas. Your ideas are uncivilized. No more holocausts or genocides. Muslims who are deprogrammed are the greatest counterjihadists.
It was at this point that Gray weighed in, admirably so:
Your post is profoundly offensive to people like me, whose parents fought against the Nazis in the Second World War, and suffered grieviously as a result. The Muslims are the true followers of Hitler, not us. Islam is a totalitarian, fascist ideology, whose holiest books command adherents to kill Jews. Hitler admired Islam greatly. That is the reality. I suspect Stan and Grace understand the issues better than you do. There is a clash of civilizations in train, one which will not end until Islam is triumphant, and everyone in the West has embraced the only three choices that Islam allows to the non-Muslim. The weakness and appeasement of Western leaders has made an ultimate, winner-takes-all global conflict almost inevitable. Because we have not appreciated the freedoms our forebears left us, we are going to lose those freedoms. However, when the scimitar is descending on your neck, do by all means tell the Muslim warlord all about civilization. I’m sure it will make a difference (Not!).
Leave it then to another of the Peanut Gallery of Softies at Jihad Watch, Wellington, to rush anxiously in to try to correct Gray:
No, Gray, stan and grace don’t understand the issues better than mortimer. Neither do you. It is not necessary for free societies to ban totalitarian ideologies like Nazism, Marxism and Islam. What is necessary is to properly identify them as the freedom-crushing ideologies that they are.
Remember, during WWII, Nazism was still legal in the US as was Marxism during the Cold War, but these two decrepit ideologies were properly identified, which is KEY. Islam has not yet been accurately characterized for the putridity which it is. Accuracy in assessing an ideology and not the banning of it, regardless how odious it is, is the proper route for a free society to take. Reconsider.
Gray, however, wasn't about to be dismissed so easily:
With respect, Wellington, nowhere in my post did I speak of banning Islam. Things are rapidly progressing beyond that. Huntington’s clash of civilizations is happening right now, and it has been going on since the Seventh Century. The West just has not realized it, even yet. Seventy-five years ago, the question of the day was simple. Will the Axis Powers prevail, or will the Allies? It was literally a case of kill or be killed, and the Allies victory was by no means a foregone conclusion. I fear that we will soon face the exact same question. Will it be our lives, and the lives of our families, or will it be the lives of the members of the invading force, those who wish to enslave us, and destroy all we hold dear? I pray to God I am wrong, but I fear that is the choice that all of us in the West will ultimately face, and sooner rather than later. Again, with respect, may I say that it is an act of extreme naivety to bracket to together ‘Nazism, Marxism and Islam’, as though these three worldviews are similar ideologies, and morally equivalent. This might go down a treat amongst academics in Faculty Common Rooms, but Islam is in a class of its own. The Thousand Year Reich only lasted for five years. The forces of Islamic supremecism have been marshalled against the infidel world since the Seventh Century.
But, of course, Wellington, with the stolid stubbornness of a dog loyal to his master protecting a principle instead of living, breathing people, could not leave enough alone and pause to ponder the wisdom Gray was offering:
Hell, Gray, you went along with stan to the extent that you opined he understood things better than motrimer, even though stan argued for the extermination of all Muslims on earth. I trust you get my point here.
And I think it not naïve or inaccurate at all to bracket Islam with Nazism and Marxism. Not at all. The problem, as I already noted, is one of proper identification. Islam is evil (I trust we can agree on this). What has to occur is OVERWHELMING recognition of this by the West, including by the still clueless elites. Once this is done and Muslims are accurately characterized as adhering to a kind of spiritual fascism, the rest will take care of itself. Just because Islam is a better disguised form of evil than Nazism or Marxism should not lead one to agree with stan, who simply and simplistically wants to exterminate all Muslims. C’mon.
You should have distanced yourself from stan’s statement completely. You didn’t. But you should have.
Then we had Gray's last word -- a fine riposte to Wellington's obtuse defense of an obsolete, and incoherently defended ideal:
Wellington, I have a life, and have other things to do than spend my days reading blogs and responding. This will be my final word on the subject. Yes, I acknowledge it is extreme to talk of exterminating all Muslims, and yes, it is not something I would necessarily advocate myself. However I respect, and share, what I perceive to be the underlying sentiments of the gentleman who did so. What annoyed me then (and still does) was the abuse this observation generated, with accusations of being a Hitler and a fascist. It is hard for our young to grasp the full import of the challenge facing the West, simply because it is so horrific, and the present generation has never had to face the life and death challenges that confronted previous generations. I repeat: Islam is a fascist ideology. There is no respect for human life in Islam, which endorses a divinely sanctioned hatred of anything that is not Islamic. Up until recently, I had comforted myself with the thought that Truth and Goodness would eventually prevail in this clash of civilizations, and that the West, with its superior civilization, would ultimately prevail over the barbarism of Islam. I no longer do so. The wilful blindness and cowardice of western leaders, together with events in Europe in the past months, have shown conclusively that this is wishful thinking. Yes, it would be lovely if everyone in the West admitted the obvious reality that Islam is Evil. But it will solve nothing. Events have moved beyond that, and the forces of evil are now in our very midst. Might I quote Churchill, who knew something of last ditch battles to preserve a civilization. He knew a bit about Islam as well:
“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
Churchill gives three alternative choices. I would love to be proved wrong, but now fear that we have already gone beyond Churchill’s first alternative. So please do not abuse those who see this struggle as a fight to the death. They may well be right.
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As I say -- a rare waft of the fresh air of common sense in those dank, stale, stifling echo-chamber halls of Jihad Watch comments...
Interestingly but perhaps not surprisingly, the above comments were quickly deleted by Jihad Watch censors; I had barely time to take a third gulp of my morning coffee and refresh my screen, before I saw that they had vanished into the anxious-to-please-our-PC/MC-Masters ether. It was only through Google cache that I was able to retrieve them. The only comment that should have been deleted was that of "stan". It was silly for Robert Spencer to have deleted also those of Gray and Wellington.