Tuesday, June 28, 2016

How long do we have to hold our breath...?


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-- The Graduate's parents, Mr. and Mrs. Braddock, wondering why their son Ben won't come up for air.

On Jihad Watch the other day, a contributing writer, Michael Devolin, wrote:

The fact that a sophist like Tarek Fatah is now embedded in Canada’s media and presented as an opponent of Islamic extremism, when in fact his primary concern is the portrayal of Islam the religion as a benign ideology – the very ideology that spawns anti-Jewish extremists – is an example of Islamic imperialism. 

Tarek Fatah is one of those whom I call "Better Cops" because so many in the CJM (Counter-Jihad Mainstream) -- including many civilians -- reflexively and unthinkingly assume he's really a "reformer" just because the sweet taqiyya he whispers in their ears is cleverly self-critical of Islam enough to relax their vigilance.

Devolin's statement, appearing in that bastion of the CJM (Jihad Watch), thus is a healthy baby step; though the CJM continues to plod along with Two Steps Back -- as witness, for example, these nauseatingly frequent, supportive appearances of Tarek Fatah on Ezra Levant's TheRebel Media.  Will the baby step be followed by a few tentative toe-dips into the frigid waters of a similarly apposite suspicion of all other Better Cops -- Zuhdi Jasser, Maajid Nawaz, Irshad Manji, Asra Nomani, Naser Khader, Tawfik Hamed (and many others)...?  Don't hold our breath...?

And then will the process of graduating from the Learning Curve be accomplished, summa cum laude, cap & gown and all, by the epiphany that no amount of information about a Muslim "reformer" could ever possibly vet them -- that, in fact, the very fact that they are Muslims damns them axiomatically?

Time to come up for air.

9 comments:

Egghead said...

Yes, apparently every Westerner thinks that foreign agents and spies either 1) fail to exist, or 2) walk right up and identify themselves and their anti-Western goals, or 3) fail to target gullible Westerners, or 4) were born overseas.

Here's a hint: Foreign agents and spies may be Western born - and are very attractive and well spoken people who use charisma and sex (among other techniques) to build trust with their gullible Western marks.

Lebowski1 said...

Ok so this has always been my proposed solution. It is basically aligned with the Total Deportation idea (first banning the practice, promotion, and effectively the belief in Islam from your country), but with one concession to the idea that Not All Muslims are as bad as each other. It is to present each and every Muslim with a statement for them to sign which indicates that they have renounced their faith. If they do this, they are allowed to stay, but are immediately deported to the Islamic State or other Islamic nation if found to violate the agreement in any way.

Too soft?

Egghead said...

Read about Beslan and Partition, and then ask if it is worth the risk to guess who is a 'reformed' Muslim?

https://www.rt.com/news/183964-beslan-school-hostage-crisis/

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/29/the-great-divide-books-dalrymple

Egghead said...

Read about hudna - and statistical Islam showing that the purpose of Islam enlivened by Muslims is to violently INTERACT with non-Muslims, and then ask how non-Muslims can 'verify' that Muslims are 'reformed?'

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/236310/when-cease-fire-not-cease-fire-david-bedein

http://www.cspipublishing.com/statistical/

Egghead said...

Read about The Inquisition and realize that the ONLY reason that Muslims and Jews are able to discuss The Inquisition is that Christians omitted to genocide and subjugate Muslims and Jews in the way that Mohammed and Muslims (supported by Jews) genocided and fully subjugated non-Muslims in the many countries that Muslims conquered.

Non-Muslims genocided by Muslims literally have NO ONE left alive to explain their genocide.

Hesperado said...

The problem with Lebowski's proposal above is two-fold:

1) Even if Muslims sign an apostasy statement, we would still have to spend time and money surveilling them 24/7.

2) If too many Muslims sign this statement in order to stay, the pragmatic difficulty of #1 becomes more and more of a burden. The question is, how many is too many? It could be done.

I would favor considering a caveat: Announce to the thousands or hundreds of thousands of Muslims who choose to remain as apostates: "If only one from among your number is caught a) committing terrorism or any kind of violence (which, being done by a Muslim, would be reasonably imputed to be jihad); b) planning (a); or c) saying or writing anything jihad-related -- all of you get deported."

Hesperado said...

My caveat presupposes that the West will have already woken up and implemented total deportation. In that context, voices of objection would perforce be a small minority (as was the case, for example, during the era when Japanese-American Internment was discussed then implemented) -- rather than the vast majority as they are now (including a majority of non-Jews, which a couple of my readers keep neglecting to factor).

Egghead said...

Here is a MUST READ article about Jews and janissaries.

http://www.italianisticaultraiectina.org/publish/articles/000155/article.pdf

More information about the Christian slave tax (janissary program):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Çandarlı_Halil_Pasha_the_Elder

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devşirme

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/957154/posts

http://www.xenophon-mil.org/milhist/modern/janizar.htm

Anonymous said...

Egghead: Although I read the first link and thank you for it, it might help other readers who may not have the time nor inclination to read them, if you were to summarise some of the main points. Re Jews and the devirsme and janissary systems, Jews were not subjected to this unlike the Christians whose children were forcibly taken, circumcised (in violation of original Christian teaching which recognised that circumcision was an act which denied the salvation of Christ and the ending of such human and bodily sacrifice), Jews were in positions of considerable power under the Ottomans and to the disadvantage of Christians, synagogues unlike churches were not destroyed nor their construction forbidden and the large numbers of Jews in the Ottoman Empire was due in no small part to the fact that their treachery against Christians (i.e. Spain) in the Christians' own lands had led to Jews rightly being expelled. And one should also note the predominant role played by Jews in the slave trade in both the Ancient world and the Islamic, both against native European Christians and Africans into the New World. Again, it is what the 'counter-jihad' remains silent over when mentioning Jews (only as supposed victims of evil Christians) that signals where their real loyalties lie and how unlikely they are to ever develop a clear strategy against what, after all, is the resultant of Jewish machinations against Western Christians and Western Civilisation.