Rearranging deck chairs on the H.M.S. Titanic...
Mohammed himself started the two Islams meme with Mecca versus Medina.The key is to teach non-Muslims that Muslims believe in abrogation whereby the last violent verses overrule the first 'peaceful' verses - forever - because Mohammed declared himself the final prophet.
Yes, as Bill Warner has pointed out, the Mecca/Medina aspect is a crucial "dualism" at the heart of Islam -- but it's not a real split, since the seemingly less rapacious half is only a mirage masking the other half.
Yes, I agree. I was wondering if Mohammed 'marrying' six year old Aisha is in the Medina or Mecca verses?
It's not in the Koran; it's in Bukhari hadiths and I think alluded to in the Sira. Scholars say Mohammed was supposedly 54 when she was 9, so one could calculate whether it was during Mecca or Medina period.
Mohammed wrote the marriage contract with Aisha when she was six and he was said to be fifty-one, and the marriage was consummated when Aisha was nine and he was therefore presumed to be fifty-four. This is stated, in varying forms, in Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunnan Abu Dawud and Tabari, about thirteen in all.
Yes, but I would like to know if Mohammed 'married' Aisha during his 'peaceful' Medina - or violent Mecca - period?Also, I read an interesting comment once that said that Arabs have shorter years so Aisha may have only been five years old in Western years.
Oops. Reverse that to 'peaceful' Mecca versus violent Medina.https://beyondthecusp.wordpress.com/2007/08/10/which-quran-mecca-or-medina/
Egghead: Since Islam owes its origins, including some original converts from former rabbis, and approximately 90% of its Sharia Law to Talmudic Judaism, it would not be surprising if Aisha was even younger than the presumed 9 years old when her marriage to Mohamed was consumated: in the Talmud, a female child aged 3 years and 1 day old is regarded as 'mature' for marriage and the text refers specifically to the act of 'coition' (sexual intercorse). And a male child aged 9 is regarded as mature for marriage. In both sexes, those aged less than these stipulations are not regarded as mature in the sense of equally participating in the sexual act, and can not therefore be deemed as able to 'throw guilt' onto the adult committing the sexual abuse. And in the case of Aisha, she would have been restricted by the reality also of how those resisting Mohamed were treated. As always, such abuse is largely dependent on the greater silence, and cowed agreement, of the larger 'community' and this is especially potent where there is textual or hierarchical 'justification' for it (in Talmudic Judaism, the issue arises when concerning marriage of Jewish priests and then Rabbis) but will of course permeate the entire society, in due course.
Here is a fascinating Muslim apologetic for Mohammed molesting and raping Aisha - that presents Sharia Law as an improvement to Talmudic Law.http://www.muhaddith.org/islam_answers/earlymarriage-part2.doc
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